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Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, has recently moved back to the UK from California with his family, but he\u2019s in New York this week, at the end of September, to give a speech during the UN General Assembly. And right now he\u2019s at the GQ offices in One World Trade Center, talking about grief.Grief is the subject of his new MasterClass, Redefining Grief: Building Resilience Through Loss, which the Duke did alongside the scholar Dr. Mary-Frances O\u2019Connor. It is also, of course, in some ways the main subject of Prince Harry\u2019s life. He was just 12 years old when his mother, Princess Diana, died tragically, at the age of 36. He has been reckoning with that loss ever since. \u201cStill to this day, people very often come up to me and say, \u2018I remember exactly where I was on that day in 1997, 31st of August,\u2019\u201d he says.In this conversation we talk about his mother, and how he has learned to cope with the impossible. We talk about his grief over certain current relationships within his family, which he says he is working to repair. We talk about having sick fathers, about journalism, about being parents.\u201cI certainly don\u2019t want any sympathy,\u201d he says. \u201cWe\u2019re way past that.\u201dWhy? I ask.\u201cWhy?\u201d He\u2019s incredulous. \u201cBecause I\u2019m a prince.\u201dThe following conversation is lightly edited and condensed from the latest episode of One More Question with Zach Baron. Watch below or on YouTube. Listen on Spotify or Apple Podcasts.We\u2019re taping this in New York. You just moved back to the UK. Why?Opportunities for the family. Being able to put the kids in a British school has meant a lot to me. I didn\u2019t know how important it was to me. I always thought it was going to be something that we would try and do, but now they\u2019ve been in school for two weeks. They\u2019re loving it and it\u2019s just giving them a whole different experience. I\u2019m not criticizing American schools. But I think for kids at seven and five, to be able to have that comparison and to have two completely different cultural experiences is so important today. But yeah: To be back closer to my family and to be back on UK soil for longer than a few days or a week here or there. It\u2019s nice to be back.I imagine it\u2019s not easy to uproot your family the way you did.No, it\u2019s not. Look, there\u2019s no part of anything, really, that\u2019s easy anymore. For lots of people. And this wasn\u2019t something that we planned for a long time. It\u2019s something that we\u2019ve thought about and we\u2019ve considered. But for us, when certain stars align and it\u2019s clear that this should or probably will end up being the case, then we lean into that.Was the decision more about what life was like here in the US, or more about something you were craving back there?I think that, having been here for six years now, and only being able to go back to the UK for short periods of time, to actually have my whole family there with me, the place that I grew up, wanting to be able to show my kids where I grew up and have them have the experiences to some extent that I had, the good rather than necessarily the bad, provided real proper serious thinking as to: This is an opportunity, let\u2019s do it now. It\u2019s good to be outside of the US for the next few months, perhaps. Let things settle down for a bit and then we work it out from there. But we\u2019ve had plans in the past, and I think for lots of people, it\u2019s like, if you\u2019re going to make a big move like this, that\u2019s going to take a lot of planning. For us, it was very short.There were reasons why you guys left in the first place, whether the media or other things you\u2019ve spoken about in the past. Do you think it\u2019s going to be different, or do you have a different attitude about it?I think a combination of two of those. I think that certainly our attitude has changed.In what way?Well, there\u2019s your One More Question thing.I\u2019m sorry!It\u2019s okay. It\u2019s your job. I think once you\u2019ve been through it, once you\u2019ve been able to talk about it and raise awareness to it, then people see it for what it is, which makes the environment slightly easier. And it\u2019s not going to necessarily stop the behavior, but then that\u2019s the second part, which is the behavior: My hope is that it will change. What happened back then was then, what\u2019s happened over the last six years has been a continuation of that. There are some battles that have been fought, necessarily so. But hopefully we can all draw a line under that. And with everything else that\u2019s going on in the world, there\u2019s aspects of the past that I\u2019m sure all of us, me, my family, some of the British press, that we\u2019d all like to leave behind us and work for the greater good.And it sounds like you\u2019re actually optimistic about that, which is\u2014I am optimistic. I\u2019m hopeful. I\u2019m not naive. I have been naive in the past. But I think it\u2019s important to remain optimistic. And I think a large part of this is about respect as well. And I can respect them if they respect me and our position. Our position is really quite clear now, and hopefully we can get on with life.I\u2019ve let too much time pass already before asking the most important question, which is: How are you?I\u2019m good. I know why you asked that question.For those that don\u2019t know, you have a MasterClass on the subject of grief and in it, you talk about how you gave the same answer to that question for more or less 20 years every day, which was\u2014\u201cI\u2019m fine.\u201d Which I think a lot of people do. I think a lot of us, when someone is suffering from anything, grief, loss, trauma, just a bad day\u2014some people don\u2019t ask at all, but I think friends and companions or work colleagues, if you say, \u201cHow are you?,\u201d it\u2019s a sort of natural reaction to say, \u201cI\u2019m fine.\u201d And then everybody sort of moves on. You\u2019ve done your part\u2014you asked and you\u2019ve done your part by saying, \u201cI\u2019m fine.\u201d But underneath that, I\u2019ve always felt, certainly from my perspective, there was always more. If someone had asked us the follow-up question, \u201cAre you sure you\u2019re fine?\u201d I don\u2019t think that would\u2019ve changed my response.My follow-up question was going to be: Are you actually good?No, I am good. I\u2019m exhausted, as tired as you are. You\u2019ve just come off a red-eye. I\u2019ve been in New York for the last three days, so it\u2019s interesting to be jet-lagged in New York where it\u2019s normally the other way around. But the work that I\u2019ve done over the last few days and the work that I do, that\u2019s the stuff that energizes me. Being around good people, trying to make an impact in the world, that is genuinely what energizes me. And I\u2019m in a much better place now than I was 10 years ago.In what way?There\u2019s a really interesting thing about grief. It\u2019s very personal for people. It\u2019s very individual to that person\u2019s circumstance. But I\u2019ve learned to, I guess, accept and understand that you don\u2019t ever get over grief. You learn to live with it. And also, I\u2019ve never wanted to get over the grief. And that was where I was stuck many, many years ago was the fact that if I give up on the grieving, does that mean I give up on the memory of my mother? And at the same time, if I become happy, is that a betrayal of her memory? And in the MasterClass series, I say: I am a student of grief. And the expert is Dr. Mary-Frances O\u2019Connor.Who is the scholar that you did this with, yes.She\u2019s an expert who\u2019s been studying grief and loss for decades, and she also lost her own mother as well. She\u2019s been studying: What does that do to the brain and the body? But sitting here now, recently turned 42 years old, had I known what I know now back when I was 12, my life would\u2019ve been very, very different. The point of the MasterClass is to give as much guidance and as many tools as possible to those people who are grieving or have faced some form of loss. It doesn\u2019t have to be a family member or a friend. It could be a pet, it could be loss of identity. It could be your job. It could be a limb. It really is one of the most universal aspects of being human. And yet within society, we are encouraged to suppress those feelings and those emotions.You\u2019ve talked about how your personal experience after your loss was that you were basically encouraged, if I understand correctly, to not acknowledge it publicly or even privately.Yeah, but I think that\u2019s the same for so many families and so many cultures as well. There are cultures around the world where in the opposite sense, you are encouraged to grieve and for three or five years.That\u2019s not the one you come from.No, but is it the one you come from?No, not really. No.It\u2019s not a criticism. But now as a 42-year-old man with two kids, a boy and a girl, you start to look back at your past and your parents as to what you have carried from them, what they\u2019ve handed over to you, what you want to take on and what you don\u2019t. And again, culturally, within your own family, there are certain things that you can do to, I guess, help your kids through that, despite what may be the case at school or within the country you are in.Well, you have talked about trying to break the pattern of the way that your father was parented and the way that you were parented and trying to do it differently, right?Yeah. I think that is probably the same for many parents. If the world around you is changing, then you can\u2019t stay the same. Again, from a British standpoint, what\u2019s really interesting, and maybe this is larger than a British standpoint, but so many people over the years have said, \u201cOh, he\u2019s changed.\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cSo I\u2019m no longer falling out of nightclubs drunk? Is that what you wanted for me?\u201dIs that a fair characterization of the way that you ever were?No. No, no, of course not, because the work was the work and the play was the play, and I was quite good at trying to balance the two. But when I was young, was I going out and having a good time with friends? Yes. Was I sometimes doing that to suppress the sadness of losing my mom? Yes. Was I aware of it at the time? Absolutely not.You have studied the different ways in which grief can manifest\u2014anger, irritability, depression, and so on. For you, how did it manifest?All of it. I think what is more relatable to people is the distraction piece to it, the busyness of life. The fact that when it happens, everyone\u2019s there for you, but then they quickly, not disappear, but everybody moves on, as if to say that grief is\u2014that there\u2019s a beginning, a middle, and an end. And from what I\u2019ve learned from Dr. O\u2019Connor is that\u2019s the opposite to how it is. But I love the fact that I\u2019m able to now carry the memory of my mother with me, with my work, rather than it hold me down, pull me back or me wallowing in that grief. I don\u2019t think I ever wallowed in it. I don\u2019t think I was ever allowed to. I don\u2019t think it never really occurred to me. But I think that us as human beings\u2014It\u2019s remarkable that it didn\u2019t occur to you to wallow in it, because although everyone knows what happened to you, what happened was still extraordinarily traumatic. You lost your mother when you were 12 years old, in a horrific way, in front of the world. I genuinely wonder: Does something break inside a person when something like that happens?I don\u2019t know if it breaks you, especially when you\u2019re that young. I don\u2019t think you can really fully comprehend what\u2019s happened. I think that certainly over a period of time, the resilience inside of each of us starts to grow, and it\u2019s up to us to know ourselves. Back then, I didn\u2019t know myself. The grief, the trauma, the loss, the fact that I was 12, I had no idea who I really was. But over the years with life\u2019s challenges, it has grown this resilience inside of me to realize, wow, this grief can either hold you back or it can help you grow.You have talked about basically suppressing your feelings for 20 years. What has life been like for you since you stopped doing that?Better and harder. Therapy was the thing that really changed it for me, because it gave me permission to grieve and to acknowledge the fact that yeah, losing your mom really sucks, and you\u2019re allowed to cry about it.Another thing you didn\u2019t do for 20 years is cry, right?Yes. Despite trying hard. But again, I think the harder you try to cry, the harder it becomes to actually pull that off. But yes, crying eventually feels great. It really does. The suppression of grief, the suppression of feelings is a really interesting thing, but when I tried therapy, it didn\u2019t take me that long to realize, \u201cWow, I\u2019ve been numb to this.\u201d So when I talk about, yes, it\u2019s become easier and become harder, or better and harder, it\u2019s become better because now I can be really emotionally connected to my friends, family, and specifically my children. But at the same time with the state of the world, I\u2019m now more sensitive to things that back then I was probably more numb to. So I look at it in a very interesting way. It\u2019s like, \u201cWow, for today or this week, I wish that I was still that guy.\u201dHow often do you feel that way?Luckily, not too many times. But having had one foot in that world and another foot in this world, I try to find the right balance. And life is about balance, right? There are some times when you need to be able to block it out and there are other times when you need to be vulnerable and be open to it. And my first therapist said something very interesting to me, this was from the UK, he said: \u201cTry to imagine yourself in a glass jar with the lid open and all the negative stuff, the stuff that you don\u2019t want to come in, just have it bouncing off the side. You get to choose what comes over the top and in.\u201d Now that was, I don\u2019t know, probably more than 10 years ago. Have I perfected that? No. Am I still trying? Yes, absolutely. But there\u2019s what\u2019s in our control and then there\u2019s what\u2019s not in our control. And you\u2019ve got to manage that and have the perspective of the things that really hurt can be really good lessons for you.When you mentioned a glass jar, my mind went somewhere else, which is\u2014Goldfish? Goldfish bowl?Exactly. You\u2019re in this difficult place with grief. And then for you, there\u2019s this additional thing of the intensely public nature of the life that you\u2019re leading. I can\u2019t imagine that did anything but exacerbate those feelings.Yeah, pressure\u2019s a real thing, but it\u2019s all relative in different contexts. My goal with being able to share my story\u2014I don\u2019t do it for myself. Anyone who is grieving, anyone who has grieved or had significant loss in their life will probably say the same thing, which is: I\u2019ve shared what I need to share in order to help heal. But for me, I know because I continually get told by everybody from 90-year-olds down to nine-year-olds that the sharing part of my experience, sharing part of my story, has helped them. And as long as that\u2019s the case, then I\u2019m always going to try and make it easier for other people. It doesn\u2019t matter whether it\u2019s one or a million.You have written and talked about how, after your mom died, you walk in this procession and you\u2019re touching these hands that are wet with tears. People are crying for your mother, a person that they\u2019ve never met. I\u2019m not sure I could come back from something like that.What do you mean come back from it? Now I\u2019m the one asking you questions.There is something uniquely intense, imagining a 12-year-old processing that. I tried to imagine: Could I have experienced that and gone on?Of course you could. As human beings, we\u2019re constantly tested. And look, let\u2019s not forget, I\u2019m a prince, right? So all of the resources to me should have been available for the reasons that we\u2019ve discussed. They weren\u2019t always available, but could I afford it? Yes. Was it accessible? Yes.But yes, the world saw it. I mean, still to this day, people very often come up to me and say, \u201cI remember exactly where I was on that day in 1997, 31st of August.\u201d And when you\u2019re surrounded by people and different generations, where they can remember exactly where they were when that happened, and then they look at me and/or my brother and go, \u201cWow, you guys were teenagers, not even, and this happened to you on such a public scale, where do you go from that?\u201d And that\u2019s again, from my standpoint, it\u2019s like, right: You\u2019ve already seen my whole life. I don\u2019t have a choice in that. So the least I can do is try to give back, in a sense, that this is actually what perhaps I was thinking then, and how I\u2019ve sort of recovered from that. And I hope that that gives some encouragement to people that when you are rock bottom and when you\u2019re finding things really, really hard, that you can come back from that.You guys also talk in that class about how grief takes many forms. Forgive me because I don\u2019t know the details here, but you have talked about at times having a complicated relationship with your brother, your father. Is that something that you grieve?Yes, of course. I think from a family perspective, again: another massively relatable issue for so many people. There\u2019s sibling disagreements, there\u2019s broken relationships between kids and their parents, kids and one parent. That continues to come up with me the whole time by people that I speak to. So I know how relatable it is. That\u2019s probably why there\u2019s so much fascination. And then people maybe look at us and go, \u201cHow are you going to work it out?\u201d And then, maybe, how I see you\u2019re going to work it out, maybe that will help me work my stuff out. And some people don\u2019t want it to work out. I want it to work out.You do?Of course I do. Again, with everything else that\u2019s going on in the world, the most important thing is to reconcile. That\u2019s the key point.Well, so much of the class is about this idea of repair, right? That grief is not an inevitable fact, but something that can be repaired. And so the follow-up to that would be: Is this wound something that you think you can repair?Yeah, of course. Look, scars stick around forever, but what your perception is and what your mindset is to those things that have happened, certainly letting go of the past, that\u2019s something that I would encourage everybody to do. If there\u2019s certain things from the past that are still affecting your every day, that\u2019s harder to let go of. But yeah, for me, there\u2019s enough drama in the world and enough drama in people\u2019s lives than to continue with issues with family.\u201cIt\u2019s not worth it.\u201dThat\u2019s hard to say to people when you\u2019re in it. I mean, are you on good terms with everyone in your family? Maybe you\u2019re not, but this is the first time you\u2019re about to share that you\u2019re not? And they suddenly realize: \u201cBut I thought we were on good terms?\u201dYou didn\u2019t ask for this confidence, but I know your father\u2019s been sick. Mine was diagnosed with prostate cancer a few years ago. He\u2019s actually doing well. But another thing watching your class made me think of is, I\u2019ve felt, in moments, almost a kind of anticipatory grief. I wonder if you\u2019ve felt something similar?Yes, I have. And I think that that is perhaps helpful. It\u2019s the one thing that we are all going to experience, which is the loss of a parent, both parents, and the loss of friends. That\u2019s universal.Well, you\u2019ve done a lot of charitable work and a lot of thinking about PTSI, post-traumatic stress injuries\u2014Thanks for referring to it as PTSI.I would think, having suffered the traumatic death of a parent, that having a sick parent now could be very triggering in that respect.Yes, but he\u2019s getting better. So, yeah. I think there\u2019s a big difference between losing one parent and losing two. From the friends of mine that have lost two, they go, \u201cWell, now I\u2019m an orphan, even if you\u2019re in your 40s or 50s.\u201d I\u2019d never heard someone say that to me before. I was like, \u201cWow, I hadn\u2019t considered that.\u201d But then also I\u2019ve always thought to myself since I was a young kid, and in conversations with other friends of mine, which is, \u201cIf you had a choice, what would you choose to have a parent ripped away from you suddenly without any preparation, or having the long-term suffering, but the ability to say goodbye?\u201d And it turns out that there is no answer because I\u2019ve got friends and family who are suffering from cancer. I\u2019ve had a mom that was taken away from me too soon, and I have spoken very openly about one of my biggest regrets is that last phone call I had with her. If I\u2019d known it was the last call with her, how different that conversation would\u2019ve been. And I\u2019m the one that has to live with that. And the fact that as a 12-year-old kid, all I wanted to do was go off and run and play with my cousins.You have to know that, though, [that you were a kid]. Especially as a parent yourself now.Of course, of course. But before I was a parent, that was a bit of guilt and stuff that just really stuck with me. It was heavy. And then yeah, when you become a parent, of course it changes things. But I haven\u2019t even asked you: When it comes to grief and loss, what is your experience of this?I have a surreal experience. It\u2019s sort of what I was alluding to earlier, which is that both of my parents have had relatively bad forms of cancer that they both have survived. So I\u2019ve had the anticipatory grief, and I have many friends who have lost one or both parents. In fact, I had a conversation with my father where he was sort of preparing me for his death, if we\u2019re being honest with each other. And was like, \u201cI haven\u2019t experienced this, but I barely have a friend who hasn\u2019t. You don\u2019t have to tell me that this is going to happen.\u201d But also I sit here knowing that I do not know what is coming and I cannot be ready for it.And how would you prepare yourself for it? I mean, did watching the class help?Of course it helps. I mean, I think you in general sharing your story helps.Well, anyone sharing their stories should help. That\u2019s the point of it.Well, I have a journalist\u2019s mind, so there\u2019s a certain vividness and narrative power to the version of it that you experienced, which is\u2014I mean, how many books have been written about this, about your mother and your family?I mean, thousands. I wrote one, but they all wrote thousands.I was going to ask you about this too, because you make stuff. I\u2019m not a royal family expert, but\u2014You look like you are. You\u2019re wearing a blazer.Let me in! You wrote a book. You made this MasterClass. When you guys came to California, you were doing Hollywood stuff and production stuff\u2014but that\u2019s not common for your family to make stuff, right?But it\u2019s storytelling. It\u2019s being in certain situations and being able to use, creatively, the platforms that are available to be able to share stories. My whole life, my whole background, is charity. And what I realized very quickly when I moved over here was, charity is so much at the downstream end. What can I do with my life that is more upstream? It\u2019s not about putting charity out of business, but if the problem now exists and it\u2019s so big that it needs charitable support, then what can you do other than put a plaster or Band-Aid on it? So my work with BetterUp, for instance, the online coaching platform, was really focused on the upstream. If we can democratize and basically get as much coaching out there as possible from everyone from the CEO to the janitor in these large corporations, large businesses, then hopefully they won\u2019t be in the situation that I was, which is lying on the floor in the fetal position in your kitchen.Which is a thing that happened to you?Yeah, that\u2019s a reality, right? It\u2019s just interesting how life pans out. It was like, wow: The sooner that you can get to know yourself, and what I mean by that is actually who you are, what is your identity, what are the things that you love doing, what are the triggers, what are the things that you know that you should avoid, and what is your shield? The moment you are able to establish those things, then you know yourself better. You can protect yourself better from the things that are outside of your control. So I now know how to grieve. I know that when the next person in my life passes and I lose them, I don\u2019t know how I\u2019m going to react. I assume that I\u2019m going to break down and cry. And if I can\u2019t cry, I\u2019m going to be like, \u201cCome on, how are we in this situation again?\u201dBut I find myself getting very emotional in all sorts of different situations. And normally there\u2019s a whole crowd of people, there\u2019s cameras and stuff like that, and it might be a really happy moment. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhoa, where\u2019s that come from?\u201d And then I don\u2019t cry because I\u2019m in front of everybody. Then I go home and go, \u201cRight, now cry.\u201d Nope\u2014the moment\u2019s passed.I mean, what you\u2019re describing is very difficult, which is: I feel a feeling, but I\u2019m being observed, so I can\u2019t fully feel it. And then I go home and try to recreate it and it\u2019s not there. You must feel insane.No, you don\u2019t feel insane. And I certainly don\u2019t want any sympathy. We\u2019re way past that.Why?Why? Because I\u2019m a prince.So?Well, thank you for saying that. That\u2019s great. But I\u2019ve got a support network around me. I\u2019ve done different forms of therapy and I\u2019ve put in the work. I didn\u2019t have to. I wonder where I would be if I didn\u2019t. It could be a very different situation. And 10 years in the military really grounded me. It gave me a specific set of skills, but it gave me a certain set of values that I will live by for the rest of my life.I was reflecting on the fact that your time in the military is clearly a very important chapter in your life and it seems like, maybe before marriage and kids, the happiest that you ever were.Yeah, you know what was weird? It was an escape for me and I didn\u2019t realize what it was doing for me then, or what I was using it to get away from. I was running from something and being in the military gave me the perfect distraction. And I was also the perfect candidate\u2014[a] highly adrenalized 20-something-year-old.You make a joke about this in your book. It\u2019s like: Divorced parents? Lost mother? Come on down. Join up.Yeah. And strip away the title and who I am and everything else, it\u2019s like\u2014you come from a broken home. And so many people come from broken homes. And actually when it comes to recruiting, we are very good at recruiting from broken homes and highly adrenalized individuals will operate really well in uniform. But this is when post-traumatic stress and all that stuff comes up and where the research shows that so many of us who have served operationally, who might be suffering from some form of post-traumatic stress, that the incident was the trigger, but what it has now opened up precedes service. And it\u2019s childhood trauma of which so many of us carry. Some of us are aware of it, a lot of us aren\u2019t.It\u2019s also a place where the guy next to you isn\u2019t going to turn to you and have a really emotional conversation.No, of course not. Well, that\u2019s again, the cultural aspect. We are encouraged as men not to be vulnerable. But then the moment you have kids, you realize that you need to be vulnerable. And I\u2019ve said over and over again for years and years and years, being vulnerable is not weakness. It is strength, especially the fact that in my life I will defend my family with full strength, but at the same time I can be the vulnerable individual, whether it\u2019s as a husband or whether as a father. And again, it goes back to balance. You can\u2019t just be this macho dude who has no sensitivity, is unable to be vulnerable and is basically just a douche.Although it\u2019s interesting, I have two young children, and I think about this because they\u2019re still at the age where they think I can do everything. So then I\u2019m like, \u201cWell, can I show vulnerability? Am I going to puncture that idea that their dad is invincible?\u201dThey need to know that you are not invincible, I think is the key. None of us are invincible. And certainly in the military, we always had this ability to be able to put on the cloak. The uniform was the cloak. It\u2019s like, \u201cI am invincible.\u201d And that mindset certainly got yourself into shit, but also out of shit. But we all have got to learn when to take that cloak off. And it\u2019s not always wearing the cloak and it\u2019s not always not wearing it, but it\u2019s finding the right moments to go, \u201cOkay, this is when I need to be this version of me and this is when I need to be this version of me.\u201dI think you said in the class that you think about your mother almost every day. What do you think about?I don\u2019t go too deep. I don\u2019t sit there\u2014and I probably should\u2014but I don\u2019t sit there and go really deep into: \u201cHow am I feeling?\u201d It\u2019s just a quick sort of like, \u201cWow, miss you. Wonder what the world would be like if you were still here. Wonder what my family would be like if you were still here.\u201d So there are questions that I ask myself. Sometimes there\u2019s questions that I ask her, looking for some kind of response, and sometimes I do get a response.You get an answer.Yeah. And that\u2019s the thing. I think it\u2019s really interesting when\u2014maybe I\u2019ve spent too much time in California, but having done the work that I\u2019ve done, there is a connection still with my mom that I really do feel her energy at certain times and certain parts of my life.We don\u2019t have to blame that on California. That\u2019s a legitimate feeling.Is it though? It\u2019s a legitimate feeling, but for a lot of people watching this would be like, \u201cOh, were you now connected to your mom and all this stuff?\u201d It\u2019s like: yes. The answer would be yes. There\u2019s an energetic piece to this, which I never appreciated, never realized. But when my son, when Archie was born and I had to go back into London and do the 40-minute drive in and out of London, I was so stressed with everything that was happening and everything that I was having to deal with. But then I would come back and I would literally take Archie off of Meghan. And if I was still stressed, he would feel it immediately. And I got into this habit of, right, okay, now I\u2019m going to use this 40 minute drive to be able to try and just get that [calm]. And even when I got to the door of the house, I\u2019d be like, \u201cLet\u2019s test this now.\u201d And I go in, I hold him and he leans into me. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhoa, okay.\u201d So that\u2019s just a real thing. And I think as a parent, we\u2019ve just got to be so conscious about what we carry that they can pick up. That we know how we\u2019re feeling and maybe we don\u2019t know how we\u2019re feeling. Your kids will be the first people to tell you because they won\u2019t want to hang out with you.You have mentioned, a few times now, this idea of sharing your story. Do you ever feel like, \u201cOh man, I\u2019ve put a lot out there?\u201dYes, but I prefer me to be putting things out there rather than the machine creating stuff. Someone like me, if you\u2019re sitting back staying quiet, keeping low, the stories don\u2019t stop. The stories are continuous. So you either just sit there and accept that all this crap is going to be created and people are going to write books about you and people are going to write stories, the hundred thousand millions of stories about you over the years, and the vast majority of them are made up, untrue, or just really badly sourced or with an agenda. So why not share some of your story? Why not try to be in control of your own story? Because if they can\u2019t be responsible enough to tell your story, then you have to tell your own story. But at the same time, I\u2019ve been really criticized for telling my story. And I find it is fascinating because everybody else is allowed to tell their version of my story, but God forbid I should be able to tell the other side of it. Just by telling my own story, it takes away a lot of power from other people.I was thinking that, in some ways, the press is such a great wound in your life. And I probably look a lot like the press to you.You don\u2019t look, sound, or feel like a journalist. That\u2019s not a criticism.I was like: Oh, no!But no, look, I find myself in a very interesting place, 42 years old, where growing up, I was surrounded by some of the worst forms of journalism. And yet here I am at 42 years old doing the best that I can, doing everything I can to try to uplift and support journalism, because of the experience that I\u2019ve had growing up, where I\u2019ll be damned if you guys who pretend to be journalists are going to drag this whole profession down the drain. And I take real issue with that because proper journalism is so important. Just look around the world at the moment.As we\u2019ve been talking, I\u2019ve been thinking: You talk in the MasterClass, and have talked before, about the search for purpose. And now here you are talking about grief and the most vulnerable things in your whole life. Do you think this is ultimately the purpose that you found?I think it\u2019s multipurpose for me. I think without purpose, I would be very lost, like most people. I think we all have a purpose, we just need to find it. My work drives me. The Invictus community inspires me and I will do and continue to do everything I can to help others find their purpose and encourage them to search for that.Probably helps you too though.Massively.Prince Harry, thank you so much.Oh, thank you, Zach. It\u2019s been great. 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